Pillow Talk Sessions

Pillow Talk Sessions is the essential podcast for in-depth conversations with the leaders at the forefront of transforming how modern hospitality is operationally delivered and experienced.

Hosted by Jessica Gillingham, CEO of Abode Worldwide and author of “Tech-Enabled Hospitality”, the show features leading voices shaping the next era of hospitality and flexible living.

Redefining Resi: From short lets to branded living with Maxine Leufroy-Murat (Sejour Living)
Pillow Talk Sessions
Redefining Resi: From short lets to branded living with Maxine Leufroy-Murat (Sejour Living)
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Recent Episodes

Redefining Resi: From short lets to branded living with Maxine Leufroy-Murat (Sejour Living)
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June 18, 2026

Redefining Resi: From short lets to branded living with Maxine Leufroy-Murat (Sejour Living)

Like many entrepreneurs entering the short-term rental space, Maxime Leufroy-Murat started out believing growth was a function of acquiring more properties and scaling operations. After more than a decade in the industry, he has reached very different conclusions.Maxime Leufroy-Murat has spent over a decade inside the short-term rental industry — building City Relay, one of London's most established lettings management platforms, and Opago, a tech-enabled operations business now managing aroun
We Grew Too Fast and Nearly Lost Everything - With Njål Elliasson, Proptonomy & Heimby
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June 3, 2026

We Grew Too Fast and Nearly Lost Everything - With Njål Elliasson, Proptonomy & Heimby

When Njål Elliasson co-founded his Norwegian-based short-term rental property management company, Heimby, in 2022, he was over the moon as it quickly grew in size and profit. But before he knew it, his company started crumbling, going from a $100k profit in year one to a $200k loss by the end of year two.By the end of 2023, Njål was forced to start over, prioritizing quality of product over profit and growth. He got rid of all of his team, downsized to just the 20 best homes, hired at CTO and
How Mollie's is Running Hospitality Like a High Street Retailer - With Matt Bell, Mollie's Motels
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May 21, 2026

How Mollie's is Running Hospitality Like a High Street Retailer - With Matt Bell, Mollie's Motels

What does it take to build a hospitality brand that delivers genuine quality at a budget price point?Matt Bell is the Managing Director of Mollie's, a design-led motel and diner concept with properties in Oxford, Bristol, and Manchester. With nearly two decades in independent hospitality, Matt brings a rare mix of operational rigour and brand instinct to everything Mollie's does.In this episode, Matt breaks down the philosophy behind the brand — why budget doesn't have to mean boring, and ho
How CitizenM Mastered Hospitality Automation with Mike Rawson (Formerly CitizenM)
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May 6, 2026

How CitizenM Mastered Hospitality Automation with Mike Rawson (Formerly CitizenM)

Mike Rawson spent seven years as CIO of CitizenM, one of the most tech-forward hotel brands in the world. His biggest lesson? Technology comes last.In the latest episode of Pillow Talk Sessions, Mike joins me to break down what most hotels are getting wrong about automation and how CitizenM built an NPS score good enough to catch Marriott's attention.His belief: you shouldn't reach for technology until you understand the real requirement, the business value it will bring, and most fundamenta
The Rise of Agentic AI in Hospitality with Tim Major (Operto)
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April 23, 2026

The Rise of Agentic AI in Hospitality with Tim Major (Operto)

In this episode of Pillow Talk Sessions, Tim Major, CEO of Operto, joins host Jessica Gillingham to explain how agentic AI is shifting hospitality from automation to autonomous execution.Through Operto One, Operto is building an AI workforce capable of performing operational and marketing tasks, optimizing performance, and driving outcomes across hotel systems.The conversation explores what this shift means for hotel teams, guest experience, and business performance.While AI offers signifi
Privacy, Safety & the Future of Rentals with Nils Mattisson (Minut)
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April 9, 2026

Privacy, Safety & the Future of Rentals with Nils Mattisson (Minut)

In this episode of Pillow Talk Sessions, Nils Mattisson, CEO & Co-Founder of Minut, explains how privacy-first technology is solving one of hospitality’s most complex challenges. Balancing guest privacy with host security.Minut developed a system that detects events such as noise, overcrowding, and smoking without recording or storing audio. This approach builds trust while enabling operators to maintain control over their assets.The conversation expands into broader industry shifts, including